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TTC considers numbering subway lines

The TTC is considering using numbers to refer to Toronto’s subway lines to make the system easier to navigate.

The changes are outlined in a report called New Wayfinding Standards, presented to the board on Wednesday afternoon.

The hope is the new system will be more user-friendly, especially for occasional riders, tourists and people with language or cognitive barriers. The TTC says it will also work well with mobile technology and won’t be expensive to implement.

Right now, service on one route — like the Yonge-University-Spadina line — goes by many names: YUS, Yonge subway and Spadina trains, for example.

The problem will get worse as the line extends into Vaughan, the report says.

If the new system is approved, the Yonge-University-Spadina line would become 1; Bloor-Danforth 2; the Scarborough RT 3; the Sheppard line 4; and future lines would be numbered in ascending order.

The TTC says familiar names — Bloor-Danforth, Sheppard, etc. — will continue to be used alongside the numbers in many cases.

“The TTC already uses line numbers for the subway, just not in a public way,” spokesman Brad Ross tweeted earlier this month.

The commission also hopes to use its historic subway font on more signs and simplify its maps.

A pilot project to test out the changes could happen by the end of the year at Bloor-Yonge and St. George stations.

Paris — which has 16 subway lines — uses a numbered system, and New York City — which has 24 — uses a combination of numbers and letters.

Click here to read the full report.

Comments

  • Pedestrian says:

    Um?!

    “Take the Sheppard line to Sheppard-Yonge then take Yonge-University-Spadina line to Bloor-Young then take the Bloor-Danforth line to High Park”

    or

    “Take the #3 to Sheppard-Yonge then the #1 to Bloor-Young then the #2 to High Park”

  • Pedestrian says:

    Um?!

    “Take the Sheppard line to Sheppard-Yonge then take Yonge-University-Spadina line to Bloor-Young then take the Bloor-Danforth line to High Park”

    or

    “Take the #3 to Sheppard-Yonge then the #1 to Bloor-Young then the #2 to High Park”

    In addition signs would be clearer with a round yellow sign with a big “1″ rather than a rectangle with “Yonge-University-Spadina” in tiny letters that would be easily missed.

    May I also ask you to relax. This isn’t a matter of life or death.

  • Please help bury the Eglinton Line now says:

    The name in the picture is NOT the name of the line but that of the station as the line names Andy Byf0rd is so desperate to drop. Do NOT be F00LED. Andy BYF0RD was desperate to unbury the LRT on Eglinton Ave East just so that he can save money for his Downtown Relief Line (to be sold to us as Line 4 or Line 5 with the word ‘Downtown’ conveniently left out) and unfortunately Andy BYF0RD succeeded in unburying the Eglinton Ave East port of the Eglinton LRT. Andy BYF0RD is also desperate to avoid building subway in Scarborough and vehemently supports the cheaper LRT for Scarborough just so that he can save money for his Downtown Relief Line (to be sold to us as Line 4 or Line 5 with the word ‘Downtown’ conveniently left out). Andy BYF0RD is also desperate to build cheap in the middle of the street LRT in place of the Sheppard subway extension just so that he can save money for his Downtown Relief Line (to be sold to us as Line 4 or Line 5 with the word ‘Downtown’ conveniently left out).

    • Please help bury the Eglinton Line now says:

      According to Andy BYF0RD, subways are needed in Downtown only and everyone else deserves slow cheap middle of the street LRTs that slow both transit and cars. Andy BYF0RD is responsible for placing extremely long fancy streetcars in the middle of Eglinton Ave East and now he wants to place them on Sheppard Ave East also.

  • Amanda says:

    Not if this is going to cost us, the people, more money. If they want to number it maybe they take it out of our not so hard at work tax dollars that we are paying to the Politicians. I’m so tired of being robbed by the government!

    • cut service says:

      You are right. Didn’t the TTC cut bus routes and service in order to meet their budget? Now they want to spend a big pile of money on new signs and whatever. Meanwhile, while they are cutting service , Metrolinx has a $50 billion dollar transit expansion plan.

  • Susan says:

    That’s fine if they want to use numbers to accommodate a handful of people but they should leave the names as such and just add numbers for those few who can’t understand English signs. 100% of the people currently are used to using the names with little or no confusion, this is really something that is not needed now, I believe everyone except the blind can read and even if you change it to numbers they still won’t see it. I guess the fares will go up again to cover their stupid plan, as usual. The people always have to pay for others stupidity!!!!! first the government and now this. If they want to make changes or make stupid moves it should not be on the backs of the people. We didn’t ask for any of this!!!!!!.

    • Please help bury the Eglinton Line now says:

      People who can’t read line names in English can’t read station names either and so are we going to drop all the meaningful station names and number them instead. Why don’t they drop bus and streetcar route names as well as well as drop all meaningful streetcar and bus stop names and number those tens of thousands of stops? The same can be done for GO train lines and GO bus routes and we can drop all meaningful names and have a system based on numbers only. Can you imagine what that will be like? Next stop: 536784

      We can also drop all of the street names and instead just number them as not everyone can read English. But then what about people who can’t read and are illiterate? The won’t drop the meaningful GO train line names, streetcar and bus route names, streetcar and bus stop names, street names, GO and TTC station names, etc etc etc just because it is expensive and more importantly will confuse everyone except the extremely intelligent. The only reason that TTC line names are being numbered is because it is propaganda perpetrated by Downtowners like Andy BYF0RD so that they can deceive us into approving even more subway for Downtowners on top of the extensive system that they are already blessed with and which we paid for.

  • no answers says:

    The TTC presentation report has one little picture of “staff”. Staff are supposed to be involved in this somehow. The presentation doesn’t say how. Does this mean that if the TTC has more self-help for the customers, that the TTC can hire a lower grade of staff?

  • Jacky says:

    Toronto just can’t get it together! The colour concept is a copy from Shanghai, China subway system and the colours are the same to! Lol. Toronto has no creativity. It took 8 years for Shanghai to build 10 lines, but Toronto can’t decide on an extension and if they did it would take just as long to build one line! It’s a joke.

    • Pedestrian says:

      Jacky. I completely agree that Toronto can’t get its act together but don’t use China as a model. When they build things they simply take peoples property and compensate them very poorly for it. Don’t forget what they did at the Olympics. Criminal.

  • Michael Fitz Gerald says:

    Someone call “WASTE,WASTE WASTE” Just another way the TTC is wasting our money.

  • Andrew Lang says:

    The fact that the TTC is spending one moment thinking about the name of our two current subway lines shows you just how out of touch they are. Don’t think have bigger fish to fry?

    • mazbell says:

      management! it sucks! they have nothing better to do!. I can only imagine the studies/meetings they have had on this topic and the amount of man hours wasted! for two lines! i’m inclined to believe in what ‘Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION’ has to say – altho. why so many times?

      reminder of what we have in TO – http://i.imgur.com/nRT22.jpg

  • Let's get rid of station names too says:

    Meaningful station names are too confusing just like the meaningful line names are too confusing. Let us get rid of the station names too and number them as that will make it less confusing for the geniuses / Einsteins that get confused on the 2 and half lines. Let us also get rid of the bus route names as well as get rid of streetcar route names and just have numbers ALONE for them as meaningful names are too confusing and meaningless numbers make it easier for everyone to travel (as shown by study after study that meaningful names and nice colour codes that exist NOW are too confusing and meaningless numbers will make it easier to navigate the TTC subway system – one of the most extensive in the world and the world’s envy).

    • Let's number the GO lines as well says:

      Let us get rid of meaninful line names for GO Transit as well and number them. Let us also get rid of meaningful station names also (GO and TTC) and number them as meaninful names are too confusing and meaningless numbers make it easier. Let us also get rid of bus (GO and TTC) and streetcar (TTC) stop names and number them as meaninful names that we currently have for stop names are too confusing and meaningless numbers will be better. Let us also get rid of street names and number them as it will make it easier for everyone and especially for tourists which will increase tourism. Let us waste billions of dollars into numbering everything. Eventually we can number people as well as names are too confusing.

      • Michael Fitz Gerald says:

        sure great idea! As long as it comes out of your pocket. Write a cheque

        • Please help bury the Eglinton Line now says:

          Accordingly, if you want to number the TTC lines then that’s fine “As long as it comes out of your pocket. Write a cheque” Why should I have to pay for Downtown propaganda? You are NEVER going to have the Downtown Relief line approved. They have been talking about it for 50 years already and I tell you what: it’s not gonna happen in YOUR lifetime and certainly NOT if Downtown gets so low as to deceive the rest of us into approving it (a.k.a. by wasting OUR money to number the lines just so that Downtowners can sell us the Downtown Relief Line as Line 4 or Line 5 with the word ‘Downtown’ conveniently left out). We are not F00LS and so you can call it whatever but the fact that it is a Downtown Relief Line for Downtown is not going to change and people are not DU/\/\B enough to not realise that. The line has been called the Downtown Relief line for over 50 years and you just can’t erase that out of people’s memories just by numbering the lines.

      • Let's number the GO lines as well says:

        Let us get rid of meaninful line names for GO Transit as well and number them with meaningless numbers. Let us also get rid of meaningful station names also (GO and TTC) and number them as meaningful names are too confusing and meaningless numbers make it easier. Let us also get rid of meaningful bus (GO and TTC) and streetcar (TTC) stop names and number them with meaningless numbers as meaningful names that we currently have for stop names are too confusing and meaningless numbers will be better. Let us also get rid of street names and number them as it will make it easier for everyone and especially for tourists which will increase tourism. Let us waste billions of dollars into numbering everything. Eventually we can number people as well as names are too confusing (let us get rid of people’s names).

  • Steve says:

    It seems some planning ahead is a good thing. How about numbers for North-South lines and letters for East-West lines?

  • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

    The lines are already colour coded. People have said that it is necessary to number them because of a few people that are colour blind. How about spend the money to make all stations, streetcars, and buses accessible first? Because even people who are colour blind can still read the colour coded TTC maps (only they don’t distinguish all of the different colours but then we only have 2 and a half different lines and so there is nothing confusing). Andy Byf0rd pretends to be worried about a few colour blind people who exist in Toronto but how about change the traffic lights for colour blind people? That is more of a safety issue. Since traffic lights (including but not limited to pedestrian countdowns, pedestrian flashing hand, and pedestrian STOP hand) have never been a problem for colour blind people, then why should TTC maps with 2 and half colour coded lines be the end of the world? Colour blind people are not that bad off compared to blind people for whom the meaningful names of lines are extremely important and Andy Byf0rd wants to drop these meaningful names because he is not worried about colour blind people or blind people or disabled people or anyone else for that matter but just that he gets the Downtown Relief Line built as he has a great life Downtown in his multimillion dollar cond0minium. Andy Byf0rd rides subways downtown but he will NEVER ride the cheap LRT that he is so desperate to build in Scarborough (except may be for a media photo-op) and he will never ride the middle of the street LRT on Eglinton Ave East (something he was so desperate to make sure was unburied to save money for his Downtown Relief Line).

  • Sean says:

    2 must be the IQ of the dummy at the TTC that thought of that stupid idea.

  • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

    The lines are already colour coded. People have said that it is necessary bto number them because of a few people that are colour blind. How about spend the money to make all stations, streetcars, and buses accessible first? Because even people who are colour blind can still read the colour coded TTC maps (only they don’t distinguish all of the different colours but then we only have 2 and a half different lines and so there is nothing confusing). Andy Byf0rd pretends to be worried about a few colour blind people who exist in Toronto but how about change the traffic lights for colour blind people? That is more of a safety issue. Since traffic lights (including but not limited to pedestrian countdowns, pedestrian flashing hand, and pedestrian STOP hand) have never been a problem for colour blind people, then why should TTC maps with 2 and half colour coded lines be the end of the world? Colour blind people are not that bad off compared to blind people for whom the meaningful names of lines are extremely important and Andy Byf0rd wants to drop these meaningful names because he is not worried about colour blind people or blind people or disabled people or anyone else for that matter but just that he gets the Downtown Relief Line built as he has a great life Downtown in his multimillion dollar cond0minium. Andy Byf0rd rides subways downtown but he will NEVER ride the cheap LRT that he is so desperate to build in Scarborough (except may be for a media photo-op) and he will never ride the middle of the street LRT on Eglinton Ave East (something he was so desperate to make sure was unburied to save money for his Downtown Relief Line).

    Last year alone Andy Byf0rd made $294,366.92 salary plus $14,234.01 for a total of $308,600.93 plus other benefits and expenses and a gold plated pension for life. All this so that he can play politics with his wasteful numbering scheme? Please ask Mayor R0b F0rd and TTC Chair K@ren $t!ntz to replace Andy Byf0rd with someone better and less political.

    Source: The numbers of Andy Byf0rd’s compensation come from the Ontario Public Sector Salary Disclosure.

  • Simon says:

    Hahaha. There’s only 2!

  • roger says:

    This would make sense if they had more than 2 and half friggin lines.

  • Mediaman says:

    Thank God they are moving to a number system. How do you expect to memorize our vast number of transit lines? You can’t fault the TTC for being short-sighted. They are reserving numbers 4 and 5 for future lines that will be discussed, studied, reported and ultimately shelved.

    • Reva Pearlston says:

      You can’t read a map? And are you incapable of asking for directions?

      My problem with this is the money that will be spent to “fix” something that isn’t broken. when the TTC has lots of (accessibility) stuff that is broken or non-existent, and needs to be repaired or installed.

      I use a walker, and I’m THAT tired of trying to figure out if I can or cannot use any given accessible station or feature on any given day. Correcting that is hugely important, and this is just makework nonsense.

  • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

    Has there been any studies / research which suggested that commuters / visitors are having a hard time and getting confused by the only 3 lines that we got? Or it it just that Andy Byf0rd decided that it was too confusing (perhaps it was too confusing for him when he moved here from England in which case I can’t imagine how he was ever qualified to run the 11 lines of the London Underground)? Have there been any studies that suggest that a numbering system is less confusing? Or it it just that Andy Byf0rd decided that it would be better?

    • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

      When I moved to Toronto, I never found it confusing nor did any of my family members. The London Underground that Andy Byf0rd came from does NOT use a numbering system and Andy Byf0rd never pushed a numbering system in London and so why is he so desperate to number the lines here? Why waste millions of dollars in replacing thousands of signs and replacing thousands of posted maps and reprinting hundreds of thousands of new maps? Why waste all the old signs and maps and create unnecessary environmental wastage?

      • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

        The London Underground colour codes the lines and our lines here are already colour coded and so I don’t see why we should waste millions of dollars on this when our stations are breaking down, our streetcars are in short supply, many of our buses are not frequent enough, etc etc etc? Besides, it has been shown that colour coding helps people remember better than number coding (the latter is what Andy Byf0rd wants). The reason Andy Byford wants number coding is because if he asked for colour coding, the lines are already colour coded and so he will not get to drop the meaningful line names and so he will not have to include the word ‘Downtown’ when trying to sell the suburbanites the ‘Downtown Relief Line’. Don’t waste millions of our dollars to deceive the suburban people into giving support for the ‘Downtown Relief Line’ to be sold to us as Line 4 or Line 5.

        • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

          As for me, I like the meaningful names helpful and replacing them with numbers will be more confusing (imagine a subway announcement that they are experiencing delays on line 3 and somebody might not remember which one is line 3 but if the name is announced, then there is no ambiguity or confusion). If Andy Byf0rd wants to number the lines, then number them but do NOT drop the meaningful names. I have read at least 20 different articles that suggest that Andy Byf0rd wants to number the lines so that he can avoid the word ‘Downtown’ when trying to get approval for the ‘Downtown Relief Line’. If all he wants to do is to avoid the word ‘Downtown’ from the ‘Downtown Relief Line’, then he can call it the Don Mills-Pape-Queen Line or something (without wasting thousands of tonnes of environmental waste (1 tonne = 1000 kg) and without wasting millions of our dollars) and to be honest the latter is more meaningful. It is a shame that Andy Byf0rd has come to pure deception in trying to sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites.

          • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

            I also found some media interviews with people on the street about how they get confused on the Yonge University Spadina line and that numbering the lines will be helpful. Really? If they are so smart that they get confused on it, then I don’t think you can do much to help them other than give them detailed directions every single time that they travel. Besides, how does numbering help? We already have nice colour coded lines with meaningful names which we do not need to change. If Andy Byf0rd wants to number the lines, then that can be done in addition to the meaningful line names and colour codes but that won’t be done because this is a political decision rather than a logical one. Do NOT drop the meaningful line names.

  • CityGal says:

    Since I know it is going to cost (us) money, I don’t want anything changed.

  • Pasquale says:

    Instead of confusing the people that use it day in and day out, save your money and leave it alone. For the few tourist that MIGHT use it, not worth the cost. Or like someone suggested, give it colours and through time change the signs as they get old.

    • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

      Few tourists that use it will only use it a few times in their life as opposed to the people of GTA who use it tens of millions of times an year and who are already used to the system and wasting money to change the system will only confuse them. The lines are already colour coded. People have said that this is necessary because of a few people that are colour blind? How about spend the money to make all stations, streetcars, and buses accessible first? Because even people who are colour blind can still read the colour coded TTC maps (only they don’t distinguish all of the different colours but then we only have 2 and a half different lines and so there is nothing confusing)? Andy Byf0rd pretends to be worried about a few colour blind people who exist in Toronto but how about change the traffic lights for colour blind people? That is more of a safety issue. Since traffic lights have never been a problem for colour blind people, then why should TTC maps with 2 and half colour coded lines be the end of the world? Colour blind people are not that bad off compared to blind people for whom the meaningful names of lines are extremely important and Andy Byf0rd wants to drop these meaningful names because he is not worried about colour blind people or blind people or disabled people or anyone but just that he gets the Downtown Relief Line built as he has a great life Downtown in his multimillion dollar cond0minium. Andy Byf0rd rides subways downtown but he will NEVER ride the cheap LRT that he is so desperate to build in Scarborough (except may be for a media photo-op) and he will never ride the middle of the street LRT on Eglinton Ave East (something he was so desperate to make sure was unburied to save money for his Downtown Relief Line).

      Last year alone Andy Byf0rd made $294,366.92 salary plus $14,234.01 for a total of $308,600.93 plus other benefits and expenses and a gold plated pension for life. All this so that he can play politics with his wasteful numbering scheme? Please ask Mayor R0b F0rd and TTC Chair K@ren $t!ntz to replace Andy Byf0rd with someone better and less political.

  • bob_mcm says:

    The better way is colour coding as in London, England: the Blue, Red, Green & Yellow lines. Much better graphic user interface on maps and in brochures.

  • John Robbie says:

    Bus routes have both Route Name And Route Number.
    People are comfortable with Subway only having a name.
    If they decide to use a number, they should keep the original names, too. That would be consistent with the Bus routes.

    • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

      The point behind the numbering is NOT the numbering itself but to drop the names so that Andy Byf0rd can drop the word ‘Downtown’ from the ‘Downtown Relief Line’ as he will then sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. So numbering them while leaving the names alone is NOT going to happen since that defeats the purpose of this wasteful expenditure of our money. Andy Byf0rd needs to be fired immediately.

      Do NOT drop the meaningful names. If you want to add numbers in addition to the meaningful names and colour codes, then fine by me but do NOT waste our money to drop the meaningful names just because of politics. Andy Byf0rd will NEVER agree to simply adding the NUMBERS in addition to the meaningful line names since his only pupose behind this waste of our money is to drop the meaningful line names so that he can then sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. Andy Byf0rd (who lives in Downtown) has a hidden agenda and is playing politics with out money and needs to be fired immediately.

  • Pedestrian says:

    New York City uses a number and letter system and it is much easier to tell people visiting and tourists how to get around when I used to live there. They changed this decades ago. Don’t just think of those who use the train every day. Think of the people visiting Toronto. They spend money and pay taxes that they won’t benefit from such as HST along with growing our economy. How about being a good host.

    • Hannis Montanis says:

      NYC also has a subway system that is a tad more complicated than the 4 lines Toronto has. Lets be honest… 2 lines… what tourist is going to really make us of the sheppard and/or scarborough RT

      • Pedestrian says:

        You would be surprised. It is not that visitors are stupid but put yourself in someone Else’s shoes. If you went to China and everything was written in Chinese, would it not be of great help to have a numbering system. That is what people from other countries face here. There are vastly different written forms in the world but numbers are the most universal. No?

        • Please help bury the Eglinton Line now says:

          People who can’t read line names in English can’t read station names either and so are we going to drop all the meaningful station names and number them instead. Why don’t they drop bus and streetcar route names as well as well as drop all meaningful streetcar and bus stop names and number those tens of thousands of stops? The same can be done for GO train lines and GO bus routes and we can drop all meaningful names and have a system based on numbers only. Can you imagine what that will be like? Next stop: 536784

          We can also drop all of the street names and instead just number them as not everyone can read English. But then what about people who can’t read and are illiterate? The won’t drop the meaningful GO train line names, streetcar and bus route names, streetcar and bus stop names, street names, GO and TTC station names, etc etc etc just because it is expensive and more importantly will confuse everyone except the extremely intelligent. The only reason that TTC line names are being numbered is because it is propaganda perpetrated by Downtowners like Andy BYF0RD so that they can deceive us into approving even more subway for Downtowners on top of the extensive system that they are already blessed with and which we paid for.

          Besides WE CAN SIMPLY ADD NUMBERS WITHOUT DROPPING THE MEANINGFUL STATION NAMES BUT ANDY BYF0RD WILL NEVER ACCEPT THAT SINCE THAT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF THIS DOWNTOWN CONSPIRACY.

  • Ace Orford says:

    I was against the idea at first, but if they’re simply going to add the number system without losing the names – as it shows in the picture above – then I’m totally for it. There is no need for the new system to supplant the old names, they can coexist just fine.

    • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

      The name in the picture is NOT the name of the line but that of the station as the line names Andy Byf0rd is so desperate to drop. Do NOT be F00LED.

      The point behind the numbering is NOT the numbering itself but to drop the names so that Andy Byf0rd can drop the word ‘Downtown’ from the ‘Downtown Relief Line’ as he will then sell it to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. So numbering them while leaving the names alone is NOT going to happen since that defeats the purpose of this wasteful expenditure of our money. Andy Byf0rd needs to be fired immediately.

      Do NOT drop the meaningful names. If you want to add numbers in addition to the meaningful names and colour codes, then fine by me but do NOT waste our money to drop the meaningful names just because of politics. Andy Byf0rd will NEVER agree to simply adding the names in addition to the meaningful line names since his only pupose behind this waste of our money is to drop the meaningful line names so that he can then sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. Andy Byf0rd (who lives in Downtown) has a hidden agenda and is playing politics with out money and needs to be fired immediately.

      • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

        Andy Byf0rd will NEVER agree to simply adding the NUMBERS in addition to the meaningful line names since his only pupose behind this waste of our money is to drop the meaningful line names so that he can then sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval of the Downtown Relief Line. Andy Byf0rd (who lives in Downtown) has a hidden agenda and is playing politics with out money and needs to be fired immediately.

  • devoid of any content says:

    To use the TTC, you need to know routes, how those routes are connected to where you want to go, transfer points on those routes, times of arrival and departure, and where to actually stand to get on the TTC vehicle. Does the changing the name: “Bloor-Yonge” to number “1″, give you any of that information???

    • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

      No because the only reason for the numbering of the lines is so that Andy Byf0rd can drop the word ‘Downtown’ from the ‘Downtown Relief Line’ as he can then sell it to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. Andy Byf0rd needs to be fired immediately.

    • Ace Orford says:

      Again, if they keep the names and simply add numbers, as it shows in the picture above, how is any of this a problem?

      • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

        The point behind the numbering is NOT the numbering itself but to drop the names so that Andy Byf0rd can drop the word ‘Downtown’ from the ‘Downtown Relief Line’ as he will then sell it to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. So numbering them while leaving the names alone is NOT going to happen since that defeats the purpose of this wasteful expenditure of our money. Andy Byf0rd needs to be fired immediately.

        Do NOT drop the meaningful names. If you want to add numbers in addition to the meaningful names and colour codes, then fine by me but do NOT waste our money to drop the meaningful names just because of politics. Andy Byf0rd will NEVER agree to simply adding the names in addition to the meaningful line names since his only pupose behind this waste of our money is to drop the meaningful line names so that he can then sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. Andy Byf0rd (who lives in Downtown) has a hidden agenda and is playing politics with out money and needs to be fired immediately.

        • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

          Andy Byf0rd will NEVER agree to simply adding the NUMBERS in addition to the meaningful line names since his only pupose behind this waste of our money is to drop the meaningful line names so that he can then sell the Downtown Relief Line to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval of the Downtown Relief Line. Andy Byf0rd (who lives in Downtown) has a hidden agenda and is playing politics with out money and needs to be fired immediately. As taxpayers and TTC customers, we have the right to demand that Andy Byf0rd be dismissed from the TTC immediately.

      • timing says:

        How does it help? Does the number let you know what time of day and what days a certain route shuts down?

    • clapclap says:

      TTC is quite simplistic. With a map, you can learn it in no time now matter how they name the lines.

    • Nat Ty says:

      God forbid someone having to actually use their head and figure out where they have to get. For to many years the TTC had made it easy on people. Now they want to change the system, and people are upset that they will have to think for once.

      • those stupid customers? says:

        The TTC made it easy back forty years ago. Back then, you could ask almost TTC employee how to get to a destination and they would give you specific directions. Now the answer that you most often get is: “It’s on our website” – what good is that if you are at the station? I was under the impression that the point of this new exercise was to help TTC riders and NOT to throw it back at them to try figure out the system.

        • Andy BYF0RD has come to pure DECEPTION says:

          “I was under the impression that the point of this new exercise was to help TTC riders” That’s what they tell you that all this is to help you when the only reason for all this environmental and financial wasteful scheme is so that Andy Byf0rd can drop the word ‘Downtown’ from the ‘Downtown Relief Line’ as he will then sell it to suburbanites as Line 4 or Line 5 thus deceiving them into approval. Andy Byf0rd needs to be fired immediately.

        • CityGal says:

          I’ve never had anybody tell me to check the website or to tell me to call customer service.